Course Correction

On the State of AC Emulation

6 months ago, Dereth Forever was formed due to a lack of progress in other emulators. There was no available source for PhatAC, and ACE was not making any forward progress. AC Emulation was dead. We saw a need, so we stepped up to meet it, but with a different focus: community.

We started with a physics proof-of-concept using Bullet and were the first emulator with scenery generation that matched the live server. Unfortunately, that turned out to only be a “learning experience” as we became convinced that we would have to reimplement the physics system present in the client. We moved on to release the first version of our website, and then proceeded on with the large reverse engineering effort to recreate AC physics. We steadily made improvements to the website and progress in the reverse engineering effort. We revamped the world data store that just would not perform under load and brought world data load times down to single-digit-seconds. Things were looking up.

Then things started to change. ACE recruited a new contributor that started moving them forward at a remarkable pace. PhatAC’s source was leaked/published as “GDL”, and more than a couple C++ developers jumped on board. The foundation that Dereth Forever was founded on was no longer solid ground.

Over the past 4-6 weeks, the leadership of Dereth Forever has had numerous discussions about how to proceed, and our progress has obviously stalled. We took a hard look at the reason we created this group, and made ourselves reevaluate our goals in light of how the AC emulation scene had changed.

Change of Direction

Dereth Forever was founded on the premise of filling a gap. That gap has since closed. However, one of the (rather unexpected) gaps we ended up filling is the need for content creation tools. Server emulation is only half the battle. Rebuilding the content to make Dereth feel like Dereth is big challenge that the other emulators are largely ignoring.

Going forward, Dereth Forever will focus on content creation tools on our website at, and will not be pursuing server emulation. As long as we support the website, it will remain closed source. If there comes a time when we are no longer willing to host it, we will release the source for the community to use as they wish. We currently support GDL formats for content, and will support ACE if at some time they create the tools necessary to import and export data.

Dereth Forever is also changing the license on the client reverse engineering library that is 100% ours to be MIT.  Unlike the GPL suite of licenses, this means you are free to use our Client RE code for whatever purposes you want as long as you cite the copyright.  You don’t have to open your source, you don’t have to give us your modifications, it’s yours to use and edit as you wish.

We also want to thank all of you who have cheered us on and encouraged us over the past 6 months. We’ve always put the community first, and we’re continuing to do that by filling the gap that is – not the gap that was.

See you in Dereth!

– The DF Dev Team

Updates to the website

This morning we updated the website with a number of new features and bug fixes. Here are the release notes.

  • “Flags” enums that were previously complex numbers or ugly sets of checkboxes are now much more user-friendly. Simply pick the options you want from the list. Here’s a sample:
  • The Spells drop-down is now searchable. No more scrolling FOREVER to find the spell you want.
  • Loading certain creature weenies that were missing base attribute scores no longer crashes. Instead, they will default to 10s for any missing stats.
  • Content Magi attempting to approve changes to “new” weenies now works.
  • Emotes are now sorted appropriately on every page refresh.
  • New Emotes are now added to the end of the current list. You can re-sort by changing the sort order
  • The Weenie Finder is now used in a few more places allowing for easier searching

We’d also like to give Forge Golem a warm welcome to the team. He’ll really get started in a week or so, but we’re excited to bring him on board as a dedicated website resource. As always, if you find bugs or usability issues that aren’t on the trello board, let a staff member know and we’ll get it logged.

Thank you for all your support!

Moving ClientLib to LGPL

We’re excited to announce that we will be moving our ClientLib project to an LGPL license in the next couple days. For those of you that don’t care about the differences in Open Source licensing (and if you’re not a developer, you probably don’t), you can be confident this is a good thing. If you don’t want to take our word for it, I suggest you go read up on the differences, come back, and keep reading.

What is our “ClientLib” project? Glad you asked. Long story short, it’s all the dat content extraction and reverse engineered client code. Notably, this includes our physics code. It contains a lot of the basic functionality you would want to write meaningful AC websites and perhaps Decal plugins.

What this means for the community is that anybody that uses our ClientLib won’t be required to publish source code as long as no modifications are made to it. So if someone wanted to write decal plugins that pulled data out of the dat files (like, oh, a content editor), they could use our ClientLib. If somebody wanted to write a website and use our ClientLib to help them render stuff with WebGL or ThreeJS, they could use our ClientLib. If people started making mods to our ClientLib, though, they would still be subject to the same restrictions as they would under GPL. In this regard, the licensing is comparable. However, under GPL as it is today, the ClientLib carries with it all the viral aspects of GPL – merely using it or referencing it means your project now carries the GPL license whether you like it or not.

Disclaimer: none of us are lawyers. Our assertions of licensing implications do not constitute any promise or warranty of any sort.

Open Kimono

Dereth Forever was born back in November 2017. The core of our charter stated:

We are working out of the public view for a very simple reason: to minimize unnecessary distractions, criticism, and drama.
Once we have a viable product in place, we will release the source code of Dereth Forever to the public under the GPL 3.0 license.

Our original goal to viability for release was the following:

  • Physics
  • Combat
  • Monster AI
  • Emote Tables
  • Tools for Content Creation

We have made a lot of progress. We have a good start on physics, we have tools for content creation that are ready for beta testing and have initial an implementation for the emote system. However, we have not hit all of our milestones that we has set for releasing open source.   In our internal discussions we have decided that while developing privately helps with the distractions, it limits the pool of resources that might be available to contribute to our efforts to bring Asheron’s Call back for the community. That is, and has to stay, the number one priority.

We are going open source earlier than we had envisioned, mainly  to encourage others to join us in our quest to bring back Asheron’s Call.    In the next few days, we will make our repository public.   Our primary focus is two fold:  First get a playable version of the server out as soon as we can for the community.   Secondly, provide robust content tools to allow the massive work needed to put all of the missing content back into AC to get to the level of game play as of the 2017 shutdown.   Content tools are about ready for prime time.  Content Site

If you want to download the code to just follow along – great.  If you are a developer with Reverse Engineering experience or a C# MVC developer, we would love to talk to you about contributing.     Hope to see you guys in Dereth soon.


The not so “secret” secret is out

Over the last week or so, people have started to stumble across our project.   Welcome!   As we posted in our first blog post, the reason for the low profile was to focus on the coding and delivering a product to the community.   It really is that simple.   That focus has allowed us to make some great progress both on the emulator side as well as content creation.   We are well aware that there are other Asheron’s Call emulators in the works.  Some are still under development,  along with PhatAC that had to stop development after achieving so much in such a short period of time .   We did our best to explain our reasoning for starting another in our inaugural blog post Dereth Forever : A New Beginning

We are well aware that a some folks in the community view this fragmentation in a negative light.   “Why can’t everyone just work together and we would have our game back already?”  That is a feeling that everyone who loves the game can certainly empathize with.  PhatAC, ACE, Dereth Forever and other as yet unknown emulators that may be out there, speak to the fact that the effort to bring AC back has never been a smooth one.

We would like to take just a moment to assure anyone who maybe concerned that everyone here at Dereth Forever loves Asheron’s Call as much as you do.  We, like other teams, are putting in countless hours to making bringing the game back a reality.   We are taking the path that, in our opinion,  gives us the best opportunity to accomplish that mission.    We are committed to a GPL license for our game server and will release the code with our first release of a server build.  That is not only core to our charter but our solemn pledge to you, the people of the community.

We wish no other emulators any ill will and in fact are grateful for all of the talented people that have worked many many hours over the years to help make any emulator project possible.   OK, enough of that, back to coding.

Content Editing – Importing and Exporting

Greetings, Isparians!

We’re trying to wrap up the first pass of the Content Editing tool, but wanted to call out a feature we decided to add this week. We know that a large part of the remaining AC base is off playing deprecated copies of another unnamed emulator. We also know that you have ways to extract and import data into those worlds. The last thing we want to do is fracture the AC player base over which community to dedicate themselves to when having to create the content, whether that unnamed emulator or Dereth Forever. So the question is, why not both?

We will be adding the ability to import, edit, and export json files from that unnamed emulator into our Content Editing system. In the process, we get a copy of it, of course, and you can help rebuild the world for us as well as have a nice easy to use tool to rebuild worlds in the other emulator. We’re still working on the details of how we will give people sandboxes to play in and not corrupt data in the process, but we’re confident we can reach a solution that benefits everyone.

– Behemoth


Today we were able to merge in the code necessary to implement dyeing of clothing and armor.  Our newest developer Iron Golem was able to get it working properly and replace a lot of other really bad code in the process.  We also have dye failure making your favorite shade of pink, too.

Physics – a lesson learned

Physics was going great.  We got everything loading, were able to see it loading properly with Sharp DX 11, and were excited to be making great progress.  We knew it was a risk to use an engine instead of copying the internal physics to the game.  We had server-side motion incremental motion mirroring and could have even done some client position validation rather easily.

Then we wanted to add movement mirroring over and around static objects.  This was for 2 purposes.  The larger purpose was so that we could “move” things on the server.  Mainly, monsters.  This requires being able to move stuff over objects (cell data) on the ground.  This is mainly stuff like tables and chairs, but includes ramps and places in the world where there is more than 1 place you can be, vertically, for the same x and y values.  Bullet failed us here.  This required custom placement manipulation.  We were already doing some of that for movement prediction, but that was movement over ground terrain.

Without fully implementing this movement over stuff, we realized that the only way we could really utilize a third party physics engine was for collision detection.  But even then, it was a half-solution.  We have to do collision detection for moving over/around cell objects anyway.  Bullet doesn’t even get us that.

So, we’re cutting bait on using Bullet as a physics engine.  We will continue to use it for the ability to see what’s going on in the engine we’ll end up rolling by hand and utilize the SharpDx11 stuff we already have to render it.  This is still a great tool, we just can’t use it in the way we had hoped.

That said, we’re going to go as far as making portals work on the old system.  Projectiles and server object pathing will have to wait for the new system to get put into place.


Physics, Part 0 – Physics Kills

Greeting Isprians!    Work continues on making Dereth Forever a reality.   The Big Bad Behemoth Golem has been slaving away in the bowels of Tenkarrdun Foundry hammering physics against the fire hot anvil of Asheron’s Call.    Our happy band of Golems are working on different areas of the code base – but all eyes are on the big guy toughing out the physics beast.    Stay tuned – more updates to come.